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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.thompsonwerk.com/2009/02/footnotecom-a-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-170</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 02:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I will warm-up to sites such as Footnote.com once I get in the research phase of my PhD. For now, however, I&#039;m still apprehensive about endorsing a service that places a tag on documents that ought to belong to the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I will warm-up to sites such as Footnote.com once I get in the research phase of my PhD. For now, however, I&#8217;m still apprehensive about endorsing a service that places a tag on documents that ought to belong to the people.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.thompsonwerk.com/2009/02/footnotecom-a-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-169</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, the Lincolnarchives project is not discouraging anyone from actually going to the National Archives to view the original document.  We are doing this to provide access to the millions of people who unfortunately cannot come to Washington, D.C.  Also take into account that everything that Ancestry has online is from the National Archives, as well as other historical societies.  They are charging well over $300 per year for access, Footnote charges around $60 per year.  
So you have the choice of paying airfare and lodging if you don&#039;t live in the D.C. area which could end up costing you hundreds of dollars, or $150 for access 24/7 to color images, from the comfort of home.  Whether the Archives does it or not, it does cost money to do digital projects.  So taxpayers are going to pay for it one way or another.  Either you can pay a reasonable fee to have access to quality images or pay for a limited time to view a few documents if you physically visit D.C.
Anthony Pitch who wrote &quot;They have killed Papa dead&quot; stated that it took him nine years to write his book.  He said that if he had not lived in the Metro D.C. area he would not have been able to afford to stay the time necessary to spend the hours and hours of time in the National Archives to locate the documents he needed for his book.
Scholars who have limited stipends can use their resources more productively with digital projects such as this which make the job of locating documents quickly with the powerful search engines.

And when you do come to the Archives, unless you bring your own laptop, and scanner or digital camera, it is going to cost you to make copies of the documents.  So everyone is paying in some way.

I understand what you are trying to say, and if you are fortunate enough to live close enough to NARA, and have retired and have a lot of time on your hands, to spend hours, days, months, years, looking through boxes of non-indexed records, you have more than the rest of the world has.:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, the Lincolnarchives project is not discouraging anyone from actually going to the National Archives to view the original document.  We are doing this to provide access to the millions of people who unfortunately cannot come to Washington, D.C.  Also take into account that everything that Ancestry has online is from the National Archives, as well as other historical societies.  They are charging well over $300 per year for access, Footnote charges around $60 per year.<br />
So you have the choice of paying airfare and lodging if you don&#8217;t live in the D.C. area which could end up costing you hundreds of dollars, or $150 for access 24/7 to color images, from the comfort of home.  Whether the Archives does it or not, it does cost money to do digital projects.  So taxpayers are going to pay for it one way or another.  Either you can pay a reasonable fee to have access to quality images or pay for a limited time to view a few documents if you physically visit D.C.<br />
Anthony Pitch who wrote &#8220;They have killed Papa dead&#8221; stated that it took him nine years to write his book.  He said that if he had not lived in the Metro D.C. area he would not have been able to afford to stay the time necessary to spend the hours and hours of time in the National Archives to locate the documents he needed for his book.<br />
Scholars who have limited stipends can use their resources more productively with digital projects such as this which make the job of locating documents quickly with the powerful search engines.</p>
<p>And when you do come to the Archives, unless you bring your own laptop, and scanner or digital camera, it is going to cost you to make copies of the documents.  So everyone is paying in some way.</p>
<p>I understand what you are trying to say, and if you are fortunate enough to live close enough to NARA, and have retired and have a lot of time on your hands, to spend hours, days, months, years, looking through boxes of non-indexed records, you have more than the rest of the world has.:)</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.thompsonwerk.com/2009/02/footnotecom-a-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry does have a point. The crowd sourcing does add an interesting element to the research process. But I don&#039;t recall ever seeing anything in color. Then again, most of the records I want to examine are either not there or have a fee associated with them. Right now I still refuse to pay any access fees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry does have a point. The crowd sourcing does add an interesting element to the research process. But I don&#8217;t recall ever seeing anything in color. Then again, most of the records I want to examine are either not there or have a fee associated with them. Right now I still refuse to pay any access fees.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 01:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry, what Footnote claims is online when they say 66% complete is what they want to accomplish.  Those who actually do extensive research at NARA have discovered that Footnote has failed to digitize 100s of reels of microfilm, their indexing is incorrect, they have failed to digitize entire index cards, thus missing important numbers necessary to pull original documents at NARA, and the vast amount of their microfilm is at a low resolution, and if enlarged produces an image that is very hard to read.

Footnote may be acceptable to the genealogist, but is not acceptable to scholars and historians.  The end results also do nothing to preserve the document in its original format.  300 dpi is a minimal standard for today, but won&#039;t have a very long shelf life.

And I don&#039;t know what you are talking about when you are saying in color, everything I have seen in Footnote is black and white.  This is not the original format of the document, and valuable information is lost because the black and white fails to bring out the pencil notations, the colored ink, which does signify specific information.

There is no quality control from NARA&#039;s side, and there are so many mistakes and poor quality in the projects that within five years time when they get copies of the images, they will go along the wayside, just like all of the other projects that NARA starts but fails to finish.

Another thing you should worry about is that although NARA claims that these are non-exclusionary contracts, and that you can visit the facility in Washington, D.C. to see the original documents, NARA has every intention of removing these originals from public access, sending users instead to Footnote to look at poor quality copies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry, what Footnote claims is online when they say 66% complete is what they want to accomplish.  Those who actually do extensive research at NARA have discovered that Footnote has failed to digitize 100s of reels of microfilm, their indexing is incorrect, they have failed to digitize entire index cards, thus missing important numbers necessary to pull original documents at NARA, and the vast amount of their microfilm is at a low resolution, and if enlarged produces an image that is very hard to read.</p>
<p>Footnote may be acceptable to the genealogist, but is not acceptable to scholars and historians.  The end results also do nothing to preserve the document in its original format.  300 dpi is a minimal standard for today, but won&#8217;t have a very long shelf life.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t know what you are talking about when you are saying in color, everything I have seen in Footnote is black and white.  This is not the original format of the document, and valuable information is lost because the black and white fails to bring out the pencil notations, the colored ink, which does signify specific information.</p>
<p>There is no quality control from NARA&#8217;s side, and there are so many mistakes and poor quality in the projects that within five years time when they get copies of the images, they will go along the wayside, just like all of the other projects that NARA starts but fails to finish.</p>
<p>Another thing you should worry about is that although NARA claims that these are non-exclusionary contracts, and that you can visit the facility in Washington, D.C. to see the original documents, NARA has every intention of removing these originals from public access, sending users instead to Footnote to look at poor quality copies.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Cebula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Cebula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an interesting discussion.

I wonder why the Footnote.com scans are being referred to as &quot;low quality.&quot; I have not done extensive research at Footnote.com, but have browsed around a fair bit and everything I have seen was sharp and clear and easy to read (at least if the handwriting was good). I was also impressed by the interface at Footnote--the ability to zoom in and out of documents, to fiddle with the color balance, etc. to make things more readable.

Above all I love the crowd sourcing features. Users highlight and annotate documents and the annotations become part of the searchable database. It is similar to the Flickr/LOC partnership but without the noise.

I can understand a preference that NARA do this on their own dime rather than farming it out--I would prefer that as well--but the Footnote end of the partnership looks pretty good. What am I missing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting discussion.</p>
<p>I wonder why the Footnote.com scans are being referred to as &#8220;low quality.&#8221; I have not done extensive research at Footnote.com, but have browsed around a fair bit and everything I have seen was sharp and clear and easy to read (at least if the handwriting was good). I was also impressed by the interface at Footnote&#8211;the ability to zoom in and out of documents, to fiddle with the color balance, etc. to make things more readable.</p>
<p>Above all I love the crowd sourcing features. Users highlight and annotate documents and the annotations become part of the searchable database. It is similar to the Flickr/LOC partnership but without the noise.</p>
<p>I can understand a preference that NARA do this on their own dime rather than farming it out&#8211;I would prefer that as well&#8211;but the Footnote end of the partnership looks pretty good. What am I missing?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.thompsonwerk.com/2009/02/footnotecom-a-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-163</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps if the NARA was better managed, as we have discussed, they wouldn&#039;t have scheduling issues nor problems locating seemingly obscure record holdings. I&#039;m definitely not looking forward to my next visit to College Park.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps if the NARA was better managed, as we have discussed, they wouldn&#8217;t have scheduling issues nor problems locating seemingly obscure record holdings. I&#8217;m definitely not looking forward to my next visit to College Park.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.thompsonwerk.com/2009/02/footnotecom-a-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-162</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They claim they are understaffed so need to have that time to send everyone out to lunch.  They have not heard of staggered scheduling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They claim they are understaffed so need to have that time to send everyone out to lunch.  They have not heard of staggered scheduling.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.thompsonwerk.com/2009/02/footnotecom-a-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-161</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 01:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope that others are reading this post. If not, I&#039;m definitely not staying quiet with my qualms with both Footnote and the NARA. I must admit, the strict record pull times is a reason why I dislike visiting the NARA. I can understand the need for order, but to waste the limited time of researchers is something that is both unacceptable and ought to be corrected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope that others are reading this post. If not, I&#8217;m definitely not staying quiet with my qualms with both Footnote and the NARA. I must admit, the strict record pull times is a reason why I dislike visiting the NARA. I can understand the need for order, but to waste the limited time of researchers is something that is both unacceptable and ought to be corrected.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 00:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basically I have been told that the Microfilm room will be going to the Foundation for a bigger gift shop.  I am hoping that this post will be read by several people, who would think it important enough to contact someone outside of NARA in a position of power.

The staff on the research side are frustrated because they feel that the Foundation is calling all of the shots.  

And I agree, no other Archives in the world would even consider replacing valuable research real estate with a gift shop that is only going to be of any significance 3 months out of the year.

It is one thing to create a Foundation that is going to provide the means to do exhibits, etc., but when they overstep their position and begin getting in the way of the mission, there needs to be someone there to put the brakes on things.  And at this point in time, there isn&#039;t.

Right now, as far as pull times go, the first pull request goes in at 10 a.m.  It may be two hours before you get your first request.  They will only accept one pull per hour.  Maximum of two carts, and one shelf pull.  At Archives II, I have seen many out of state, and out of country researchers come in, put their request in, and two or three hours later they receive a wrong pull, many times to the fault of the students pulling the records, or an archivist who does not know the records, and the researcher is simply told to submit another pull request, which forces him to wait another two hours.  His day is gone, and nothing has been accomplished.  There is no apology from the staff.  They simply do not understand that many of the researchers are on time constraints.    It is fully understood why scholars have no desire to spend much time at the Archives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically I have been told that the Microfilm room will be going to the Foundation for a bigger gift shop.  I am hoping that this post will be read by several people, who would think it important enough to contact someone outside of NARA in a position of power.</p>
<p>The staff on the research side are frustrated because they feel that the Foundation is calling all of the shots.  </p>
<p>And I agree, no other Archives in the world would even consider replacing valuable research real estate with a gift shop that is only going to be of any significance 3 months out of the year.</p>
<p>It is one thing to create a Foundation that is going to provide the means to do exhibits, etc., but when they overstep their position and begin getting in the way of the mission, there needs to be someone there to put the brakes on things.  And at this point in time, there isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Right now, as far as pull times go, the first pull request goes in at 10 a.m.  It may be two hours before you get your first request.  They will only accept one pull per hour.  Maximum of two carts, and one shelf pull.  At Archives II, I have seen many out of state, and out of country researchers come in, put their request in, and two or three hours later they receive a wrong pull, many times to the fault of the students pulling the records, or an archivist who does not know the records, and the researcher is simply told to submit another pull request, which forces him to wait another two hours.  His day is gone, and nothing has been accomplished.  There is no apology from the staff.  They simply do not understand that many of the researchers are on time constraints.    It is fully understood why scholars have no desire to spend much time at the Archives.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 23:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen, it has been a little while since I was last at College Park. I do, however, remember how much I hated the wasted time in between record pulls. I would be furious if I received a shabby and incomplete record(s) after hours of waiting. The want of NARA to increase tourist space at the expensive of research space is highly dubious. I do not of any other archive in the world that would do such a thing. Have you voiced your concerns to anyone in some position of power?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen, it has been a little while since I was last at College Park. I do, however, remember how much I hated the wasted time in between record pulls. I would be furious if I received a shabby and incomplete record(s) after hours of waiting. The want of NARA to increase tourist space at the expensive of research space is highly dubious. I do not of any other archive in the world that would do such a thing. Have you voiced your concerns to anyone in some position of power?</p>
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